And I'll never forget there was one priest that came. And I might've been maybe about . . . I was in my twenties. And he came in and he saw how the church was. And he said, "Wait, before I proceed with the liturgy, the homily," he said, "No, y’all can't have this. I want you to get up, and I want y’all to come, y’all on this side, blacks on this side, whites . . . Look y’all need to come together for this liturgy.” And I think he lasted about a week. [laughs] I'm serious! And after about a week or two weeks we were getting a new priest. And then everybody was back to sitting . . . But it's just I mean, nobody talked about it. Even the graveyard is segregated. Whites on one side, blacks on the other side. They built this mausoleum type deal, but it’s still like that. And if you go to the white side you not going to find the names of the . . . like Hawkins and like you find that's on the manifest for the slaves. If you go to the white side, you not going to find those names-- of the last names of the people who may or may not have gone. And that may have been because the name, last name were already given to the slaves by the time they got down here. So there is this separateness in there. Link to Biography